Business of Esports - 246. Knut Spildrejorde, Twitch Streaming, Bodybuilding, Streamer Success Secrets, Audience Growth, IRL Drama

byMoneyheistcast Ltd — 0
Announcer:

Welcome to the business of esports podcast, the

Announcer:

official podcast of esports. We explore the intersection of

Announcer:

business and esports, one of the fastest growing industries in

Announcer:

the world and the future of fine. Please welcome your host

Announcer:

Paul esports. Prophet Dawalibi. The business of esports podcast

Announcer:

begins now.

Paul Dawalibi:

From the keyboard to the boardroom. This is the

Paul Dawalibi:

business of esports podcast. I am Paul the Prophet Dawalibi.

Paul Dawalibi:

I'm joined today by my friend and co host, The Honorable Judge

Paul Dawalibi:

Jimmy burrata, for those of you who are new, you're new here.

Paul Dawalibi:

Welcome to the official podcast of esports. What we do is we

Paul Dawalibi:

cover the most pressing, gaming and esports topics news of the

Paul Dawalibi:

week, but we look at all of it through a business and C suite

Paul Dawalibi:

lens, we dissect, we analyze the business implications of

Paul Dawalibi:

everything happening in this industry. For our regular

Paul Dawalibi:

listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in every week. Thank you

Paul Dawalibi:

for all the love. I see so many five star ratings and reviews. I

Paul Dawalibi:

read them all I promise. I really appreciate it. We really

Paul Dawalibi:

appreciate it. If you haven't yet. Go hit subscribe on the

Paul Dawalibi:

podcast, follow the podcast, share it with a friend, leave a

Paul Dawalibi:

review. If you love the show, it helps others to find it. We

Paul Dawalibi:

really appreciate it. Jimmy, how you doing this week?

Jimmy Baratta:

Having a great week, Paul can't believe it's

Jimmy Baratta:

already Wednesday recording day for us. But but we made it how

Jimmy Baratta:

about yourself? How are you doing?

Paul Dawalibi:

Time flies when you're having fun, right? One

Paul Dawalibi:

way to look, now I've been good. I've been good. I've been

Paul Dawalibi:

following. You know, I will say this. Most people probably know

Paul Dawalibi:

by now that I've moved to Dubai, I've moved to Dubai permanently.

Paul Dawalibi:

Obviously, a lot of the team is still in New York and you're in

Paul Dawalibi:

Los Angeles. So you're very, you know, very global business at

Paul Dawalibi:

this point. But it's funny because I've received such a

Paul Dawalibi:

large amount of inbound interest from people in this in this

Paul Dawalibi:

region, right, like people in Saudi Arabia, people in Dubai, I

Paul Dawalibi:

guess I shouldn't be surprised. But the prophet is famous

Paul Dawalibi:

everywhere. I mean, I don't know how else to say it. Other than

Paul Dawalibi:

getting stopped at the airport. It's nice to see that people

Paul Dawalibi:

listen to the show here. And the stats back it up, right 60 I

Paul Dawalibi:

think we're up to almost 70 countries now, where the show is

Paul Dawalibi:

consumed. Either the shows consumed, or were like tops in

Paul Dawalibi:

the esports charts. And so it's nice, it's always nice when

Paul Dawalibi:

people you know, moving here, people recognize the show,

Paul Dawalibi:

people like the show, I'm always flattered, I'm always I'm always

Paul Dawalibi:

humbled by

Jimmy Baratta:

it is nice and all from an English only

Jimmy Baratta:

distribution at this point, you know, if you if you prefer your

Jimmy Baratta:

your content in other languages, just stay tuned, because I don't

Jimmy Baratta:

want to, you know, give too much from what's up our sleeves. But

Jimmy Baratta:

I think we want to create content for everybody to enjoy

Jimmy Baratta:

in content that's, that supports different regions in different

Jimmy Baratta:

interests, because esports and gaming at large is a global

Jimmy Baratta:

phenomenon, not just North American or Western. Only, you

Jimmy Baratta:

know, and I wanted to add to Paul to that same point about

Jimmy Baratta:

being recognized and having people that are reaching out.

Jimmy Baratta:

Similarly, when I take calls, you know that the show is

Jimmy Baratta:

something that it's one of many things that we do, and we

Jimmy Baratta:

definitely appreciate so many of you that listen, that email that

Jimmy Baratta:

call and want to share insights that want to do something, you

Jimmy Baratta:

know, in a business capacity, but I'm just totally blown away

Jimmy Baratta:

whenever someone says, oh, yeah, I don't just listen to the

Jimmy Baratta:

podcast, I watched the live new show, I follow Williams office

Jimmy Baratta:

hours, I subscribe to the newsletter. You know, we put so

Jimmy Baratta:

much content on so many different platforms, because

Jimmy Baratta:

some people prefer to listen, some people prefer to read, some

Jimmy Baratta:

people prefer YouTube, etc. We all have our preferences. And

Jimmy Baratta:

whenever I meet someone that that literally consumes all of

Jimmy Baratta:

it, it's just it's the highest compliment honestly, and just

Jimmy Baratta:

wanted to say we you know, we definitely appreciate you guys.

Jimmy Baratta:

So if you are one of those listeners who have been waiting

Jimmy Baratta:

to reach out or just never thought to get you know, we're

Jimmy Baratta:

super available, just shoot me an email, we'd love to talk

Jimmy Baratta:

figure out what you guys are doing, how we can help. So I

Jimmy Baratta:

just wanted to throw that in there.

Paul Dawalibi:

Yeah, and since we're doing a self

Paul Dawalibi:

congratulatory intro, as opposed to, as opposed to just, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, I don't know how to say bleeping all over Diablo

Paul Dawalibi:

immortal or something like that, you know, like instead of,

Paul Dawalibi:

instead of doing that, I just want to say two things.

Paul Dawalibi:

Actually, one, if you are in the GCC region, you're in Dubai,

Paul Dawalibi:

you're in Riyadh, you're wherever, right? If you're in

Paul Dawalibi:

the region, and you want to talk gaming, or Metaverse, or

Paul Dawalibi:

anything, definitely reach out to me. I want to meet as many

Paul Dawalibi:

people here as possible. I will be speaking at a bunch of

Paul Dawalibi:

conferences in the region. Like I'm already booked for

Paul Dawalibi:

conferences in the next few weeks and in October and

Paul Dawalibi:

November. So lots of opportunity to meet and to interact, which

Paul Dawalibi:

would be great. And Jimmy, I just want to say congrats to you

Paul Dawalibi:

and the team because a lot of people should be following our

Paul Dawalibi:

Tiktok Metaverse TV underscore, every week we have at least two

Paul Dawalibi:

or three tic TOCs that blow up go viral hundreds of 1000s of

Paul Dawalibi:

views, and you guys are killing it there. And I'm just so proud

Paul Dawalibi:

of it. So everyone should go follow the TIC tock, I promise.

Paul Dawalibi:

It's not me dancing, no one wants to see that. But it is a

Paul Dawalibi:

lot of fun. So, congrats on that. Now, I will say I don't

Paul Dawalibi:

want to I don't want to spend too much time doing self

Paul Dawalibi:

congratulations here because we have maybe the only person on

Paul Dawalibi:

the podcast. And we've had the biggest CEOs we've had, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, the biggest executives in all game, but maybe the person

Paul Dawalibi:

on the podcast more famous than the Prophet himself, or at least

Paul Dawalibi:

better looking than the Prophet himself. Because that's that's

Paul Dawalibi:

also a tough one. But we have a man who, who has achieved the

Paul Dawalibi:

status. I admire when you're known by one name only, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, it's like Madonna or share. Or you know, like when

Paul Dawalibi:

you when it's one name, you don't even need a last name.

Paul Dawalibi:

You're just that famous. The man is a streamer. He's a

Paul Dawalibi:

bodybuilder. He's an entertainer. He's he's my

Paul Dawalibi:

favorite person on Twitch. This is a man everyone absolutely

Paul Dawalibi:

should be following. A man I admire very much. None other

Paul Dawalibi:

than cute. Cute. Welcome to the business of esports podcast.

Unknown:

Thank you, Paula, thank you for a great introduction.

Paul Dawalibi:

It's well deserved. Well deserved

Unknown:

it comparing me to muddle mage Shara. That's big.

Paul Dawalibi:

You are known as Knuth, right? I know. I know

Paul Dawalibi:

there's a last name. I was afraid to butcher it.

Unknown:

That it can try if you will. Let's do it.

Paul Dawalibi:

What is it? Let's hear it.

Unknown:

Okay, they will like I have two last names my mother's

Unknown:

and my father's I'm not using my mother's but it will be even

Unknown:

harder to ask. We can try both.

Paul Dawalibi:

Gonna be the one trying so let's make it as hard

Paul Dawalibi:

as possible.

Jimmy Baratta:

I thought I was the judge.

Unknown:

Like My full name is Knuth. Get a schlump bro.

Unknown:

spilled the water for three nights I would I used to be.

Unknown:

Last name. That's it. It's been three.

Paul Dawalibi:

Look, I know people on the internet know us

Paul Dawalibi:

Knut and you are famous as Knut. And this is the best part. I

Paul Dawalibi:

mean, it's you do some incredible IRL streams, you do a

Paul Dawalibi:

whole bunch of bodybuilding streams. I know you do all kinds

Paul Dawalibi:

of gaming content. I think for our audience that doesn't maybe

Paul Dawalibi:

know about you would love a little bit of your background,

Paul Dawalibi:

how you got into gaming, how you got into streaming, you know

Paul Dawalibi:

what made you do this, I would love a little bit of the story.

Unknown:

We can that we can try to the past summary because it's

Unknown:

a long story. Because I'm I'm one of the older guys on the

Unknown:

internet at this point. I'm 36 like I'm not young anymore.

Unknown:

Sorry, Paul, if you were

Paul Dawalibi:

Thank you I am older.

Unknown:

Math as a name. So this is just because it's a lot of in

Unknown:

the age range, maybe 16 to 25 maybe a lot of the guys that are

Unknown:

streaming that is up and coming gamers, they're in that age

Unknown:

range. So that's 36 you're you're one of the one of the

Unknown:

older guys, that's fine. So I started out from a young age

Unknown:

playing games, like we got a computer it was probably a

Unknown:

Pentium one back in the times I don't even remember what year it

Unknown:

was some single player games it was like a little bit of weigh

Unknown:

them all the way up to we'll see come to strike 1.3 When I try

Unknown:

that it took over my life back in the days ruin the school and

Unknown:

everything. The sound bad. And it was 1000s of hours till I

Unknown:

moved from home. And I didn't have a gaming computer. So it's

Unknown:

been about almost 10 years from plus minus a few years. I'm not

Unknown:

exactly sure. I didn't play any games up till closer to 30 Then

Unknown:

I got myself a gaming computer again. Started with some

Unknown:

Battlefield and then Counter Strike Go Global offense. I

Unknown:

don't remember how I got into Twitch exactly, but it was

Unknown:

probably just watching some of the bigger tournaments. Try

Unknown:

streaming as an idea. I didn't even know what that was because

Unknown:

I hadn't been watching mainstream so it was a bit late

Unknown:

in the game. that old thing or 2014 15. So it's maybe not that

Unknown:

late, but it had already been going on for some years. So in

Unknown:

the beginning, it was just me playing CSGO camera in the

Unknown:

corner. Nothing more, didn't interact much with chat just

Unknown:

told my friends it was in Norwegian. It was just for fun.

Unknown:

Not nothing more. That's how it started. After after a while,

Unknown:

there was some people having like this smaller pub, the

Unknown:

castes in Norwegian, which they invited me on and we talked a

Unknown:

little bit. And well at 1.1 of my friends said there there's

Unknown:

this American streamer Raj Patel, which now is known as

Unknown:

Austen show. You should go on to his history minute I think my

Unknown:

channel at that point that like there are 1200 1300 followers

Unknown:

something in that range. And it is was in the middle of the

Unknown:

night in Norway's I said the admins, could you just get me on

Unknown:

a bit before the elders because it's really late. So I can't

Unknown:

wait for hours. Because at that point, he took the audience into

Unknown:

stream all the time. And when I got on, like his channel had

Unknown:

maybe 1500 viewers at that point. And when I was finished,

Unknown:

it was because he were holding me on for a long time. I think

Unknown:

it had like 2500 Viewers, so I gained a lot that time. And I

Unknown:

think he saw that as well. So invited me on the next day to

Unknown:

come on. And I did and it was successful again. And remember

Unknown:

if you think my English is bad now we should have heard it

Unknown:

done. But I hadn't even been speaking English in the air. So

Unknown:

we're in Norway, we listen to English all the time on TV, but

Unknown:

we don't really use the language that much at least within

Unknown:

before. It's more now. When it's even more social media, more

Unknown:

youth more data, everything.

Paul Dawalibi:

Was that new Right? Like Was that was that

Paul Dawalibi:

part of what you think was drawing people that like Arnold

Paul Dawalibi:

Schwarzenegger looking character with you know, a heavy accent

Paul Dawalibi:

kind of thing like was that I think

Unknown:

that made people remember who I was suddenly it's

Unknown:

still a part of the character is still a big part of the

Unknown:

character that acts everything. So it ended up just me and some

Unknown:

of the other guys there we were on the show every day almost

Unknown:

just in the background while he was doing other stuff. Because

Unknown:

there was a lot of people involved. And my channel grew in

Unknown:

two days, it had over over doubled the amount of followers

Unknown:

to over 3000, just overnight after those two types. And it

Unknown:

just continued and I stream I changed my content from the

Unknown:

region and just CSGO to doing more implemented a bit of

Unknown:

training doing more of streams with me more than just sitting

Unknown:

gaming. From this has to be this was in 2018 In the beginning of

Unknown:

2018. And from that it has just like slowly evolved into more

Unknown:

and more different types of content. It has been steady

Unknown:

growth up, it's still growing steady. I'm happy with that

Paul Dawalibi:

means I will say you do a lot of you do

Paul Dawalibi:

consistently a lot of working out on your stream, right almost

Paul Dawalibi:

every day. You go to the gym, and it's it's broadcast live on

Paul Dawalibi:

your stream. I will just before I get into the tough questions

Paul Dawalibi:

here. I will say on a personal note. I find it fantastic

Paul Dawalibi:

because when I work I always have Twitch open. I love you and

Paul Dawalibi:

I love your stream. So I always have your stream open. Typically

Paul Dawalibi:

when I'm working and doing email, and and I feel like I'm

Paul Dawalibi:

doing the work it might work out for me to go to the gym, right?

Paul Dawalibi:

Doing a bunch of working. I've got a sandwich, I've got an

Paul Dawalibi:

email. I'm like, Oh, my workouts done.

Paul Dawalibi:

But but, you know, I'm joking, but I also feel like part of the

Paul Dawalibi:

magic of your IRL streams is you take the audience in the chat

Paul Dawalibi:

with you, right? You take your like, everyone feels like

Paul Dawalibi:

they're there with you. And so I joke but it's like I kind of

Paul Dawalibi:

feel like I'm at the gym with you. Or I'm at the grocery store

Paul Dawalibi:

with you or I'm worried you know. I'm curious how much Have

Paul Dawalibi:

that is conscious on your part, how much of it has just come

Paul Dawalibi:

naturally over the years? Like, and maybe expand that question

Paul Dawalibi:

to like, how much of that you see on Twitch is a character and

Paul Dawalibi:

how much of it is just authentically you.

Unknown:

I can start with the first question on how much of

Unknown:

this just came naturally. And I think all of that has just come

Unknown:

naturally. Because I've just, I, when I was at TwitchCon, they

Unknown:

handed me a backpack. The accompany that was there. And I

Unknown:

just started walking around talking to people, like normal.

Unknown:

And for some reason, it has always been really easy for me

Unknown:

to like, get in contact with people, people talk to me, we

Unknown:

can have an or I can have a conversation with basically

Unknown:

everyone. So that has just felt like totally naturally to me.

Unknown:

And maybe like, of course, you're you're looking a little

Unknown:

bit at numbers as well, what works on Twitch, what doesn't

Unknown:

work after doing it for a while. But it isn't like, the content

Unknown:

has been forced. It hasn't ever been forced, like, oh, no, I

Unknown:

have to do this again. It's been like just something I do and the

Unknown:

way I bring chat. And okay, they love to say this part. Well, we

Unknown:

can do it more. That's how it does wake up like that. What was

Unknown:

the last question

Paul Dawalibi:

of the the minute that you bring on camera on

Paul Dawalibi:

stream? Is, is the real cute like the, you know, the or, and

Paul Dawalibi:

how much of it is a character?

Unknown:

I would say it is 100% The real canoe that of course,

Unknown:

when you're watching, maybe they only reacted you even see them

Unknown:

react out loud when you're sitting at home, sitting alone,

Unknown:

you would probably just think, yeah, whatever you're saying on

Unknown:

stream. So you have to deliver the message to the audience at

Unknown:

least instead of just sitting there thinking that's maybe the

Unknown:

difference. But other than that, I feel like it's myself all the

Unknown:

time. There's a few things you can say on the street, you

Unknown:

shouldn't be saying on stream that you will avoid. But that

Unknown:

it's it's basically me.

Jimmy Baratta:

I know what Knut, we're gonna get into growing

Jimmy Baratta:

your audience and other things that you've that you're doing

Jimmy Baratta:

that relate to an audience that I mean, a massive following on

Jimmy Baratta:

Twitch and other socials, I just want to a little further

Jimmy Baratta:

conversation on on the streams where you go work out,

Jimmy Baratta:

particularly when you first started doing that, you know,

Jimmy Baratta:

because for me, you're absolutely ruining my excuse,

Jimmy Baratta:

you know, there's no reason why I can't be fit and a gamer

Jimmy Baratta:

because you're doing all of it. The first time you took your

Jimmy Baratta:

stream to go work out with you? What was the thought process

Jimmy Baratta:

there? You know, what was because this is really non

Jimmy Baratta:

traditional content. You know, we see a lot of just chatting,

Jimmy Baratta:

we see a lot of people that are streaming games that are hanging

Jimmy Baratta:

out. And as Paul mentioned, you're kind of showing them more

Jimmy Baratta:

about your life. What, what was the reason for that? What other

Jimmy Baratta:

things maybe cooking or other life kind of moments? Do you

Jimmy Baratta:

look to share with your audience or that or that you know, your

Jimmy Baratta:

fans expect from you? Just you know, it's a brilliant thing.

Jimmy Baratta:

And I'm just curious why? Why that popped in your mind because

Jimmy Baratta:

obviously you found success in it just looking for the

Jimmy Baratta:

inspiration.

Unknown:

I don't remember exactly when I did the first IRL

Unknown:

stream. But from like, I've been doing bodybuilding since I was

Unknown:

able I've lifted weights since I was 13 did my first bodybuilding

Unknown:

show when I was 21 years old. So when I started streaming, of

Unknown:

course, it was a lot of the audience were asking questions.

Unknown:

They were like, what do you do? And I think we had tested just

Unknown:

some streams with from a phone because I didn't have that much

Unknown:

equipment back then. But you don't need more than a phone to

Unknown:

go outside and stream. If I remember correctly, it was more

Unknown:

okay, I'll take you to the gym as well. We can go there we can

Unknown:

stream the workout. You can see what I'm actually doing. It was

Unknown:

more thought is a thoughts about it behind them than just simple

Unknown:

thought section. You can see what I'm doing.

Jimmy Baratta:

So it sounds like it was a request from your

Jimmy Baratta:

audience. Yeah, that they were interested in. They saw this in

Jimmy Baratta:

for our listeners because I know a lot of you are listening. I

Jimmy Baratta:

would recommend pausing. Go to YouTube go to the website. This

Jimmy Baratta:

guy is absolutely jacked. And I can imagine at the early stages

Jimmy Baratta:

of Twitch right where like you said this is one just streaming

Jimmy Baratta:

as a novelty, let alone someone that's so fit as yourself and

Jimmy Baratta:

it's combining these two worlds. So Would you say that this was a

Jimmy Baratta:

request of your audience or something where they were

Jimmy Baratta:

interested, not just in you in CSGO, but in your life? And you

Jimmy Baratta:

said, Well, hey, I'll show you. I'll show you how it's done.

Unknown:

Yes, yes, it will. Because, obviously, to succeed

Unknown:

on the internet, I think a lot of it is like, you have to be

Unknown:

remembered for something. When someone sees you, they see maybe

Unknown:

1000s of people all the time. And obviously, when they see me,

Unknown:

they remember the acts. They remember by the how I look. So

Unknown:

it's, it came really natural, like questions about training.

Unknown:

What are you doing when you're lifting? Or do you eat

Unknown:

everything around the that aspect of bodybuilding or

Unknown:

fitness so just fell naturally.

Paul Dawalibi:

There it is also famous for being the the biggest

Paul Dawalibi:

vegan bodybuilder, I think. The man needs a lot of chicken. I

Paul Dawalibi:

will say, what, what what has worked and not work you

Paul Dawalibi:

mentioned, you know, you had tried some things that worked.

Paul Dawalibi:

And some that didn't work as well, as you were growing your

Paul Dawalibi:

channel, like can what what are things you can look back on and

Paul Dawalibi:

say, you know, these were really good for my growth. And these,

Paul Dawalibi:

you know, these things are things that I probably wouldn't

Paul Dawalibi:

try again.

Unknown:

There's nothing that has been really bad like this.

Unknown:

But what people love the most is seeing me just go out in public,

Unknown:

especially if it's places that I haven't seen before. Like I was

Unknown:

in Costa Rica once, just a trip there, and we just went out in

Unknown:

the streets. And people were coming up talking like that the

Unknown:

that was really good for the audience. Going to conventions.

Unknown:

That has been like the biggest things has been when we when I

Unknown:

go outside. Just the normal.

Paul Dawalibi:

Sorry, Jimmy, go ahead. You wanted to jump in

Paul Dawalibi:

here,

Jimmy Baratta:

I wanted to jump in on the same line. Because you

Jimmy Baratta:

know, Knut, when you're out in Costa Rica, or when you're doing

Jimmy Baratta:

the IRL streams, you know, as opposed to growing it audience

Jimmy Baratta:

maybe on something like YouTube or Instagram or tick tock where

Jimmy Baratta:

it's pre recorded. And this is a conversation you and I have had

Jimmy Baratta:

before but you know, we're recording here. And I want want

Jimmy Baratta:

to share for the audience, your thoughts, I suppose, on the

Jimmy Baratta:

difference that you see engaging with your audience on twitch in

Jimmy Baratta:

real time, versus recording something, editing it posting it

Jimmy Baratta:

for later, which obviously could reach a larger audience that can

Jimmy Baratta:

watch at their leisure. But there's something special about

Jimmy Baratta:

you being live whether it's in the gym, Costa Rica streaming a

Jimmy Baratta:

video game, can you speak to the success that you've had actually

Jimmy Baratta:

growing a live audience, which is a very difficult, difficult

Jimmy Baratta:

thing to do?

Unknown:

Yes. So you have talked about it, as you're saying. And

Unknown:

I think that's the main my main platform is tWitch, as we have

Unknown:

mentioned, and I think of Twitch, this is something I've

Unknown:

seen with my channel, and I think I've seen it in other

Unknown:

channels like the Twitch audience, they like some form of

Unknown:

interaction between, because they're sitting there live, they

Unknown:

expect it to be live. They're sitting, they have a chat,

Unknown:

they're talking to shelter, but they're also talking to you and

Unknown:

they want they want you to communicate with them. So when

Unknown:

we're doing both IRL streams, or sitting at home, I think, for

Unknown:

growing a live audience, it has been for me, and as I said, I

Unknown:

think it's for others as well. It's important to have a two way

Unknown:

communication, not only you walking around, just doing

Unknown:

something, but also you include the shots, or the people that

Unknown:

are watching in your content. Of course, just different degrees.

Unknown:

It depends on what you're doing. But I have some some for

Paul Dawalibi:

Nick, we had we had tips from OTK on the show a

Paul Dawalibi:

few months ago. And he said something which I thought was

Paul Dawalibi:

very insightful. And then I thought about it a lot since he

Paul Dawalibi:

said it and what he said was Twitch is a great place to

Paul Dawalibi:

monetize your audience. But it's not a great place to grow your

Paul Dawalibi:

audience like that growth is better on tick tock than it is

Paul Dawalibi:

on Twitch and you want to bring your audience to twitch to

Paul Dawalibi:

monetize not to grow there. And when I hear your story, you know

Paul Dawalibi:

it sounds like one of those key moments in the success of your

Paul Dawalibi:

own channel was being featured by a channel that was bigger

Paul Dawalibi:

than you at the time right by Ross Perot slash rash Patel and,

Paul Dawalibi:

and a lot of people on Twitch still become big today because

Paul Dawalibi:

of Austin's shows. Right? That's still that's still a way that

Paul Dawalibi:

people get noticed. Would you say that success on Twitch today

Paul Dawalibi:

is impossible without that, like, Can Can someone grow from

Paul Dawalibi:

zero today on Twitch? Even if they're the most interactive,

Paul Dawalibi:

the greatest, they do everything right. But if they don't get

Paul Dawalibi:

sort of hosted or noticed by some bigger channel, do you

Paul Dawalibi:

think it's impossible to grow from zero on?

Unknown:

Well, we should never use the word impossible. But I

Unknown:

think it's almost impossible to start from zero, you don't have

Unknown:

a name on the internet. No one knows who you are, you can be

Unknown:

the most, you can be the most entertaining person that no one

Unknown:

will see ever. Or if someone will see it will take years and

Unknown:

years and years to get 10 people to or maybe not yours to take 10

Unknown:

people but to grow an audience alone on Twitch no networking,

Unknown:

no exposure, no nothing. That's close to impossible.

Paul Dawalibi:

So would you say networking is is critical to

Paul Dawalibi:

success on Twitch these days like you, you if you're if I'm

Paul Dawalibi:

new, right, and I'm starting today on Twitch, and my channel

Paul Dawalibi:

has zero people like is is writing sort of the success of

Paul Dawalibi:

other channels, a key sort of component of growing?

Unknown:

Well, it doesn't need to be a raid, it can just be you

Unknown:

being on on someone else's stream. And they can notice you

Unknown:

there it is, it doesn't necessarily need to be a raid,

Unknown:

like for as I said, for me, it took one day to grow the same

Unknown:

audience that I did in three years alone when I went on that

Unknown:

show, and then I've been because I've been more lucky than just

Unknown:

being on his show I've been with Trey and Ray, we were at

Unknown:

TwitchCon. Bliss calm and it was a bit weird on s farm. It has

Unknown:

been sold up in Greek decks, like all of them has helped me

Unknown:

up there. So there's,

Paul Dawalibi:

like, part of it is your own your own work? Like

Paul Dawalibi:

this is what I'm trying to tease because I think this is the

Paul Dawalibi:

question. People ask a lot when it comes to streaming, right

Paul Dawalibi:

everyone. In some ways, you have the dream job, right? At least

Paul Dawalibi:

to most people, you know, you're at home, you play games, you

Paul Dawalibi:

talk to chat, and you get paid to do this right? For a lot of

Paul Dawalibi:

people. This is the dream. And so there's this is why you have

Paul Dawalibi:

you know, 50,000 people on Twitch streaming right now with

Paul Dawalibi:

zero viewers, right? Everyone wants to be the next minute

Paul Dawalibi:

everyone wants to be the next whoever right? Then I'm trying

Paul Dawalibi:

to tease sort of the keys to success. And what it sounds like

Paul Dawalibi:

is part of it is luck, like in any other entertainment

Paul Dawalibi:

industry, right where you need to get you need to be noticed

Paul Dawalibi:

you need to partner and network and do those right things. But

Paul Dawalibi:

it's also like I think people maybe forget and correct me if

Paul Dawalibi:

I'm wrong, forget that. You've been streaming like eight years

Paul Dawalibi:

now, right? Like it didn't happen

Unknown:

seven days. Now it didn't happen into it, that's

Unknown:

for sure. Like the networking part, when we talked about that

Unknown:

is just the exposure that I got, we have to remember the hours

Unknown:

I've put in. And not only that there's a lot of people that

Unknown:

have just gotten exposure from the channel and nothing happens.

Unknown:

So there has to be something there in the beginning and you

Unknown:

have to do the job as well. Like you if you haven't seen my

Unknown:

numbers, I stream on average 250 to 300 hours a month, like I'm

Unknown:

putting in the hours as well. Like all when I gave the answer

Unknown:

with exposure that was just up all the work you have to do

Unknown:

yourself. Yeah, of course you have to do that. But when it

Unknown:

comes to a tip said about growing audiences, it's way

Unknown:

easier to get exposure on your profile or on other platforms

Unknown:

than twitch. Like algorithms on tick tock will show your videos

Unknown:

to 1000s of 1000s of people. And probably the same on YouTube,

Unknown:

Instagram is compared to twitch or if you have zero viewers,

Unknown:

you're on the bottom of our list. So they were being the one

Unknown:

they've been seeing your channel. So I will say it's a

Unknown:

combination of everything. But if you're growing it alone on

Unknown:

Twitch, it is really hard even though you're doing all the work

Unknown:

you have the detail in there, you're a good entertainer, but

Unknown:

it will stay close to impossible

Jimmy Baratta:

in the same line of thinking can you know we

Jimmy Baratta:

haven't talked also about the help that that streamers receive

Jimmy Baratta:

from sponsors and other you know partners. I'm curious you know

Jimmy Baratta:

for you as someone that's that's had various sponsorship that

Jimmy Baratta:

constantly has people giving them free gear head Said's T

Jimmy Baratta:

shirts, offering you deals, affiliate deals and whatnot, you

Jimmy Baratta:

know, what type of support do you look for from companies that

Jimmy Baratta:

you work with not just networking with individuals in

Jimmy Baratta:

growth, but you know, you know, hardware manufacturers, headset

Jimmy Baratta:

and microphone, you know, companies, things of that

Jimmy Baratta:

nature, you know, do you look just for the equipment? Or do

Jimmy Baratta:

you look for connections to their other sponsored streamers,

Jimmy Baratta:

access to events that they do promotion on their socials,

Jimmy Baratta:

things of that nature,

Unknown:

as it has been, from the beginning, whatever events

Unknown:

smaller than when you were like, when you have the smaller

Unknown:

audience, you have to take a bit more of the sponsorship, ya have

Unknown:

to take a bit more of the deals that you don't need to take care

Unknown:

a bit bigger. So for me, I've been in the beginning, I wasn't

Unknown:

reaching out myself to different companies. MSI responded

Unknown:

positive, they have sent me to events like DreamHack, multiple

Unknown:

times, they have helped me out with computer equipment, they

Unknown:

have helped me help in reaching out to other companies, because

Unknown:

I had to contact people there that knew people in other

Unknown:

brands. As for now, when I'm growing a bit big year, I would

Unknown:

say I hope I can get a little bit more than just the computer.

Unknown:

Like, at this point, they will help that you can get some sort

Unknown:

of maybe revenue from doing sponsorships. Because what is

Unknown:

like a headset for a brand that's really cheap advertising,

Unknown:

if you have 10,000 20,000 people stopping by seeing it every day,

Unknown:

it that's really cheap advertising for them if you sit

Unknown:

for hours every day. So I think that depends a little bit on

Unknown:

your size on what kind of sponsorship and what you can

Unknown:

like ask back to get back for because let's be real, every

Unknown:

company that sponsors they they want to the advertisement for

Unknown:

the products. That's why they're using us as streamers and

Unknown:

content creators.

Paul Dawalibi:

As someone who's made a living on Twitch, I'm

Paul Dawalibi:

curious how you feel about the direction Twitch is going, you

Paul Dawalibi:

know, we talk about this a lot on the podcast. And, you know,

Paul Dawalibi:

Twitch is increasingly less than less gaming. And, and you know,

Paul Dawalibi:

we don't need to go into sort of every, every minute. But like,

Paul Dawalibi:

how do you feel about the direction of the platform and as

Paul Dawalibi:

a streamer as an entertainer who makes a living there? Are you

Paul Dawalibi:

ever concerned about the direction of the platform? Like

Paul Dawalibi:

are you ever? Are you ever worried that you know one that

Paul Dawalibi:

all your eggs are sort of in that basket?

Unknown:

First of all, if it if it goes the direction Twitch is

Unknown:

going I feel like getting a broader, broader type of

Unknown:

content. I think that's just good for everyone. It shouldn't

Unknown:

be really, really bad type of content if it should hurt my

Unknown:

stream. But in general, pulling in more people watching Twitch

Unknown:

will only benefit me as a streamer. I don't see any

Unknown:

problems. People are discussing like categories like hot tubs

Unknown:

pools, I don't think it will hurt my audience, even if some

Unknown:

people think that's a bad thing, personally, is obviously not

Unknown:

there's nothing, nothing bad at least only that it's still

Unknown:

growing. And that might be because new people get into

Unknown:

Twitch for the different type of content. And then they're

Unknown:

watching another scrolling a little bit more and they see my

Unknown:

name maybe maybe I'll get a few viewers that came into something

Unknown:

totally unrelated to my content. So I'm not complaining about

Unknown:

that at all. What was the other thing that was the other

Unknown:

platforms of like everything?

Paul Dawalibi:

How much do you think about diversifying sort of

Paul Dawalibi:

where you create content, right?

Unknown:

I have been thinking about it for a long time. Like I

Unknown:

have the YouTube channel habit tick tock account. I have

Unknown:

Instagram, I have Twitter. I need to be better at growing all

Unknown:

of them because from the beginning, it was mainly Twitch

Unknown:

only because that's where the biggest part of the audience

Unknown:

was. And when you're putting this much time into Twitch, it's

Unknown:

hard to do other types of content but over time, I've been

Unknown:

like we're trying to grow on Tik Tok with an hour we sat down

Unknown:

this last days actually getting a YouTube editor that will that

Unknown:

will take care of the YouTube channel because one day you

Unknown:

never know maybe Twitch will be no longer watch twitch and they

Unknown:

will all go over to watch a YouTube Live as well. It's nice

Unknown:

to already have a YouTube channel with some subscribers

Unknown:

on. So I think it's smart for everyone to utilize every

Unknown:

platform there is so most because you never know when the

Unknown:

platform you're on nice and popular anymore and suddenly are

Unknown:

sitting there with you said all the eggs in one basket and you

Unknown:

have enough thing.

Paul Dawalibi:

I mean, do you what do you think of some of the

Paul Dawalibi:

big Twitch streamers going to YouTube? Right? Is that a? Is

Paul Dawalibi:

that a state misstatement more about twitch? Do you think it's

Paul Dawalibi:

just about the money? Like how do you look at that? And, and

Paul Dawalibi:

I'm curious how you would react, you know, if YouTube came and

Paul Dawalibi:

said, Here's the bag of money come stream on our platform

Paul Dawalibi:

instead, right? Like what seems to have happened is everyone

Paul Dawalibi:

who's made the move, their audience has dropped. But

Paul Dawalibi:

they've all been paid, it seems quite handsomely.

Unknown:

I, I would say I didn't understand what ninja and shroud

Unknown:

were doing when they went over to Microsoft search platform

Unknown:

mixer. Yeah. Because that was an obvious mistake from the

Unknown:

beginning of the done the money of course, after whatever, they

Unknown:

got paid really well. So they were already set. Pretty good.

Unknown:

So if, in worst case, they could retire and the way. But when it

Unknown:

comes to platforms like YouTube, which has an insane audience,

Unknown:

that will be more interesting. For myself, as well, of course,

Unknown:

if I got an offer, but I don't think they're doing any

Unknown:

mistakes, I think the To be honest, I think most of them are

Unknown:

doing it because of the moment. That's my secure money. Because

Unknown:

of something. I'm always looking at this. Okay, you're doing,

Unknown:

you're making a good living right now. But compare this to

Unknown:

having a more normal job. You have no security at all. So you

Unknown:

need to think about your future. You can sit there and stream and

Unknown:

have a few years of a good income. But you should think

Unknown:

about the heirs after as well. Because you never know. So I

Unknown:

believe I understand why people are thinking about the moment

Unknown:

back if someone offers them. And I would most likely take that

Unknown:

myself to be honest.

Paul Dawalibi:

I mean, that's such a good question. And

Paul Dawalibi:

especially I mean, you're not old and because you're old, and

Paul Dawalibi:

I'm really old, like so you're very young, but relative to

Paul Dawalibi:

other streamers, right? Who are maybe in their early 20s. You're

Paul Dawalibi:

the you're the more mature guy in the room. And so, like how do

Paul Dawalibi:

you think about streaming as a as a long term career, right?

Paul Dawalibi:

Like, do you want to be doing this at 50? At 60? Like, is this

Paul Dawalibi:

something you do till retirement age? Is this something you do

Paul Dawalibi:

for the next few years? And then if it's just the next few years,

Paul Dawalibi:

what's next, right? Like? Where do Where do streamers go in the

Paul Dawalibi:

same way? Like where do like where do bodybuilders go after

Paul Dawalibi:

their prime or athletes go after they retire? Right? Like, where

Paul Dawalibi:

do streamers go in your mind?

Unknown:

That's a really good question. And for the answer the

Unknown:

first thing as it is right now, I see no reason to stop. Like I

Unknown:

enjoy doing it. I enjoy putting in the hours. May what I see for

Unknown:

my future is maybe a little bit down on the hours to more like

Unknown:

normal job hours, would be nice. But other than that, I see no

Unknown:

reason why I can do this for years. And I think since if you

Unknown:

take my age, your age, around our edge, we're like the

Unknown:

grownups right now in the community. And the audience that

Unknown:

were young when we started gaming, which is probably the

Unknown:

same age as us. They are growing up as well, and I think they

Unknown:

will grow up with with the streamers. Of course it will,

Unknown:

the audience will change. But I think there will be like the

Unknown:

average age of three content creators in general will just go

Unknown:

up every year. As the newer audience comes in. People will

Unknown:

still watch Twitch run in with their 50 That's how I see it now

Unknown:

at least. Do you feel like

Paul Dawalibi:

your audience has aged off Over the last seven

Paul Dawalibi:

years, yes.

Unknown:

And this is something we have talked about on my

Unknown:

stream a lot of times, what's the age group watching me

Unknown:

compared to a younger streamer? And I see, I think there's my

Unknown:

audience will be a bit older compared to a lot of other

Unknown:

audiences. Of course, you have the young kids there as well.

Unknown:

But I think I have more of the guys my age 30 to 40, maybe 45

Unknown:

years old, compared to s3 Mirage is 20 years old, even though

Unknown:

they're big streamers.

Paul Dawalibi:

That's good from an advertiser and sponsor

Paul Dawalibi:

standpoint, right? It's the same reason why I think we do well,

Paul Dawalibi:

business of esports is because our audience trends older, they

Paul Dawalibi:

have more disposable income, they're professionals, right,

Paul Dawalibi:

like it is. I'm curious how much that factors into how you talk

Paul Dawalibi:

to sponsors, specifically?

Unknown:

I haven't talked enough to sponsors to give you a good

Unknown:

answer on that one. But I can say like Twitch doesn't have any

Unknown:

statistics on how old the viewership is that if you go to

Unknown:

YouTube, or to Instagram, they have graphs, because people want

Unknown:

to make their profile, they're putting in their age, their

Unknown:

gender. And my audience, I have just as many viewers from 25 to

Unknown:

35, as I have from 18 to 25. So I have that it's almost 5050 on

Unknown:

those two age groups. So I have a lot of audience that it's up

Unknown:

to 35 as well.

Jimmy Baratta:

Do you think as the audience and as all of us

Jimmy Baratta:

continue to age up, that there's going to be a continued need for

Jimmy Baratta:

the live content? Because it's so surprising that your audience

Jimmy Baratta:

mirrors each other from those two, those two age demographics?

Jimmy Baratta:

I would wrongfully assume that the older demographics are busy

Jimmy Baratta:

working, you know, to sometimes spend a lot of time watching

Jimmy Baratta:

live content, as opposed to, you know, anything that they can do

Jimmy Baratta:

on demand. So I'm curious, you know, not just not just from

Jimmy Baratta:

your audience that you're actually seeing, yeah, even the

Jimmy Baratta:

older age groups are interacting with you live, and they're

Jimmy Baratta:

coming regularly live. But also you as Paul asked earlier, as

Jimmy Baratta:

you start to think about streaming 1015 years from now,

Jimmy Baratta:

retirement age potentially, do you think as you continue to

Jimmy Baratta:

stream there will be a larger need or a shift towards

Jimmy Baratta:

creating, producing scheduled content, where you don't have to

Jimmy Baratta:

at least be live recording, you can share some reruns, you can

Jimmy Baratta:

go do something high quality and kind and take a break a little

Jimmy Baratta:

bit from being 100% on ready Live, which I think has a higher

Jimmy Baratta:

burden, you know, for for you.

Unknown:

Yeah. I first of all, I want to say I think we need

Unknown:

both, for sure. We need both. And there's no doubt that the

Unknown:

viewership in total on pre produced content, which is when

Unknown:

they can watch whenever they want is higher than live. Like

Unknown:

if you go compare you to the posted videos compared to live

Unknown:

streams, they get way more viewership in total. So there is

Unknown:

no doubt but I think there's a lot of people that is using this

Unknown:

for entertainment. As you said, Paul, when you're doing emails

Unknown:

when you're working when you're doing other things. I'm know

Unknown:

like, it's hard to generalize a full audience of 1000s of people

Unknown:

what they're doing while you're watching. But I can at least

Unknown:

take trends from those who are responding in chat for those who

Unknown:

are typing, telling me what they're doing. And I know a lot

Unknown:

of my audience is watching me while they're working. Some are

Unknown:

watching me at work and then maybe a little bit when they

Unknown:

come home from work and in between everything they're

Unknown:

doing. So, and I don't think people will have less time off

Unknown:

work in the future. It seems to be a trend that people are

Unknown:

working less and less hours. Because I think there still will

Unknown:

be a big audience for live content. That is

Paul Dawalibi:

massively underestimate that second screen

Paul Dawalibi:

kind of viewing for Twitch. Like I really believe there's a very,

Paul Dawalibi:

very large percentage of people who consume twitch in that way

Paul Dawalibi:

whether it's a second monitor or a phone or whatever, while

Paul Dawalibi:

they're doing something else. And I will say like, I I love

Paul Dawalibi:

your streams new great like you know, I'm a huge fan. I tune in

Paul Dawalibi:

all the time. Thank you. I would I would be far less likely to

Paul Dawalibi:

watch a Knut rerun. Right because I think so much of the

Paul Dawalibi:

magic of what you do is because it's live and it's you know, the

Paul Dawalibi:

chats reaction to something you've done or to a TTS or like

Paul Dawalibi:

the something you know, and that when it's happening live,

Paul Dawalibi:

there's a magic to it that I think isn't the same in rerun.

Unknown:

I 100%. Agree, but because it's that you get that

Unknown:

but what's happening next? And you can't just scroll to the

Unknown:

next moment. You have to be there we lit up in a thumping

Unknown:

well, it No. Will there be anything? Well, will the other

Unknown:

viewers react the same way you do? Will it be something from

Unknown:

this ad, they're like, there's so much that has to be live for

Unknown:

it to be fun on this type of content.

Paul Dawalibi:

I want to just riff off this a little bit like

Paul Dawalibi:

how much do you think you need to lean on drama these days?

Paul Dawalibi:

Like, I think one of the trends I've seen is streamers always

Paul Dawalibi:

trying to get on live stream fails, right? Like, that's the

Paul Dawalibi:

goal, right? It's how do I get clipped onto Reddit? That goes

Paul Dawalibi:

viral? Because this is how people you know, discover me and

Paul Dawalibi:

everyone, even small streamers, who I've never heard of seem to

Paul Dawalibi:

want to try and create drama, because that's how they think

Paul Dawalibi:

they hack their way to the top. Like, how much does consciously

Paul Dawalibi:

does drama and creating drama sort of factor in your mind? Or

Paul Dawalibi:

is it something you don't even think about?

Unknown:

Of course, I've thought about it. But personally, I

Unknown:

tried to avoid being the drama or being in the drama, watch

Unknown:

some of other people's drama on my stream and have a look at it.

Unknown:

I don't think it's necessary to do or to harm drama content to

Unknown:

be up there. But of course, drama content has viewership.

Unknown:

There's no doubt. But I can give you an example. I don't remember

Unknown:

exactly what the drama was. But there was a few days where on

Unknown:

live stream friends it was this stream and that stream, it was

Unknown:

just a big drama between them. And someone posted this clip

Unknown:

from my stream. Knuth just driving all the drama episode,

Unknown:

which is driving, it was just a clip from the car, and it goes

Unknown:

up to the top. So there is a next step. But you can do other

Unknown:

things as well.

Paul Dawalibi:

I think this is what I love about you is you

Paul Dawalibi:

don't you don't necessarily fall for the cheap gimmick, right?

Paul Dawalibi:

You're not there for the the sort of the cheap, short term

Paul Dawalibi:

boost. You always just do your own thing. I'm curious. And I

Paul Dawalibi:

want to before I get to everyone's favorite new segment,

Paul Dawalibi:

I want to end on I think a question that everyone wants me

Paul Dawalibi:

to ask. And that is like, if you're a new streamer or your

Paul Dawalibi:

Streamer with zero viewers or five viewers or 10 viewers on

Paul Dawalibi:

Twitch, like what's the best advice you would give to those

Paul Dawalibi:

people?

Unknown:

I think that's what we talked about a bit earlier. When

Unknown:

it comes to platforms, it's good. whatever platform you're

Unknown:

using, if it's Twitch, try to get your name out there. You

Unknown:

need to be seen from as many people as possible, whether it's

Unknown:

you're doing tick tock on the side, it's up to maybe streaming

Unknown:

to multiple platforms at the same time. So So you get your

Unknown:

name out there. It isn't about what microphones you use, or

Unknown:

what camera you have, or both things are down the list of what

Unknown:

I think you should be doing. You should take about a little bit

Unknown:

about what could work like. And as content content related, of

Unknown:

course, I'm getting your name out there so people can see you

Unknown:

because you need to be seen. I think that's the biggest things.

Paul Dawalibi:

It's great advice. Look, it's it's it's the

Paul Dawalibi:

massive amount of hours you put in I think it's hard to I think

Paul Dawalibi:

people gloss over that and think that it just happens easily or

Paul Dawalibi:

it's just luck. You're you're online all the

Unknown:

time. You can add in. Don't expect it to happen

Unknown:

overnight. That could be add that in as well. You need to

Unknown:

work although all those aspects.

Paul Dawalibi:

Cute. That brings us to everyone's favorite new

Paul Dawalibi:

segment and that is Judge Jimmy's cross examination for

Paul Dawalibi:

those of you who are new to the podcast. The way it works is

Paul Dawalibi:

Jimmy is going to ask a few rapid fire questions get to know

Paul Dawalibi:

you better as a gamer as a streamer as a person. Get behind

Paul Dawalibi:

the scenes a little bit there fast, short questions. I'm sorry

Paul Dawalibi:

I don't have my bell here but usually there's no swinging

Paul Dawalibi:

gesture Take it away.

Jimmy Baratta:

We'll make do thanks Knut so like Paul said

Jimmy Baratta:

couple quick quick questions quick answers. proper timing

Jimmy Baratta:

since you're pouring yourself a drink here what's your go to

Jimmy Baratta:

drink or snack when you're streaming?

Unknown:

Pepsi Max that's number boom Drake in Norway we drink

Unknown:

you're almost all the Pepsi Max produced in the world number

Unknown:

Well no.

Jimmy Baratta:

What about what about for your favorite snack

Jimmy Baratta:

would would do that as a spin off? What are you typically

Jimmy Baratta:

eating we need some health tips here.

Unknown:

I'm trying to just follow by diet all the time, but

Unknown:

it isn't always easy. Since I have a family I can't always

Unknown:

stream the kitchen they need some privacy as well. I can't

Unknown:

include them in everything. So if we're talking about on a day

Unknown:

let's try to just pre make all my meals have them read the

Unknown:

following the build the building diet, if I'm not doing that,

Unknown:

well it can be whatever. When it comes to more sweets, I eat more

Unknown:

chips potato chips.

Paul Dawalibi:

As someone who watches Knuth stream religiously

Paul Dawalibi:

the man eats a lot of broccoli rice and chicken I thought and I

Paul Dawalibi:

thought for the drink you were gonna say solo super again as a

Paul Dawalibi:

super fan.

Unknown:

Oh yeah, you know about the solar super. That's the

Unknown:

thing is simple. We have in Norway there's a drink or a

Unknown:

brand called solo. It's a bit similar to Fanta but I think it

Unknown:

tastes better. Especially the sugar free one. That's the best

Unknown:

one that normally, it's really expensive. It'd be like for

Unknown:

Obama and a half liters. It's like $3 per bottle. But every

Unknown:

Eastham and after that it's like a discount that it gets more

Unknown:

down to normal prices that that period of time we all

Paul Dawalibi:

need to get us solar super sponsorship deal, I

Paul Dawalibi:

think. Sorry, Jimmy, go ahead right now coming

Jimmy Baratta:

up next. Definitely. Let's shift gears

Jimmy Baratta:

here, Knut besides yourself. Besides our Fandom of you, who

Jimmy Baratta:

do you like to watch on Twitch? What streamers? Do you admire?

Jimmy Baratta:

Do you respect for their brand and their personalities?

Unknown:

There's a lot. First of all, there's a lot of people I

Unknown:

respect and I think they have good brands. But we have to

Unknown:

realize not all content even though it's good. The content is

Unknown:

meant for everyone. But people that I watch a lot myself I

Unknown:

think is a train wreck. When isn't gambling. That's my

Unknown:

favorite streamer. Because I can't watch the slot spinning

Unknown:

for 30 hours straight. That's not my type book author. But

Unknown:

here's all their content I really enjoy. I've watched some

Unknown:

Destiny. He recently moved over to YouTube because he goes

Unknown:

banned on Twitch but I like to watch him a bit. Some mischief,

Unknown:

though. Those are probably the three I watched the most myself.

Unknown:

Now you're muted.

Jimmy Baratta:

Yeah, sorry. I didn't want to talk over you

Jimmy Baratta:

there. In the same line of thinking. I'll end it with one

Jimmy Baratta:

more question Knut, which is not just your favorite streamers.

Jimmy Baratta:

But what right now is your favorite game to stream or

Jimmy Baratta:

watch?

Unknown:

Right now? Apex legends. Nice. I love the game.

Unknown:

I'm not that good to getting shit done in gold drugs. But I

Unknown:

love the games I don't care about

Jimmy Baratta:

maybe help you out there. I'm taught he's, he's

Jimmy Baratta:

quite excellent.

Unknown:

Yeah. willing to take all the carrying. I've been

Unknown:

lucky to play with a lot of good. A really good Apex players

Unknown:

as well. And it's fun to play with. My girlfriend plays the

Unknown:

game a little bit the way we mix it up. It is just fun. I like to

Unknown:

get older than that there's been competition like a year ago.

Unknown:

Those are the top two.

Jimmy Baratta:

So solid answers can you choose to great at first

Jimmy Baratta:

person shooters? Well, that's all the questions I have for you

Jimmy Baratta:

today. So thanks for coming on and back to Paul

Paul Dawalibi:

clewd for our audience who wants to follow you

Paul Dawalibi:

find out more about you. Keep track of what you're up to, like

Paul Dawalibi:

where do you Where can people find follow you? What platforms

Paul Dawalibi:

what places?

Unknown:

They can they can find me on almost every platform on

Unknown:

twitch it is just cute. YouTube, Instagram, Twitter Tiktok. It's

Unknown:

cute speed in one word. I can type it in so you can have it

Unknown:

there is just the first part of my last name. Knuth spelled on

Unknown:

all of those because Knuth wasn't though ailable So,

Paul Dawalibi:

and a lot of our audience, our business people,

Paul Dawalibi:

like for business inquiries, you know, companies that maybe want

Paul Dawalibi:

to get in touch. How do you usually how do they usually find

Paul Dawalibi:

you?

Unknown:

They can use my email, which is also Knut spelled up

Unknown:

protonmail.com. So that is very cool.

Paul Dawalibi:

New T. SP ILD

Unknown:

Yes.

Paul Dawalibi:

All right, perfect news. I can't tell you

Paul Dawalibi:

how much of a pleasure this was having you on. I don't I rarely,

Paul Dawalibi:

fanboy over anybody. Like I said, we've had the biggest

Paul Dawalibi:

names in the industry, the biggest CEOs. This was such a

Paul Dawalibi:

pleasure. This was such a treat for me, I'm such a fan of yours.

Paul Dawalibi:

You know, I think everyone needs to be watching you. I think you

Paul Dawalibi:

are the most entertaining human being on Twitch right now. Every

Paul Dawalibi:

brand should be working with you. And I just I can't say

Paul Dawalibi:

enough good things about your content and what you're doing

Paul Dawalibi:

there. So thank you so much for being on the show.

Unknown:

Yeah, thank you so much for all the compliments. Before

Unknown:

you finish, it's really nice to say that. And I hope we can do

Unknown:

some collabs in the future.

Paul Dawalibi:

I think I don't I don't want to say too much.

Paul Dawalibi:

Because you know, we like teasing things on this show. But

Paul Dawalibi:

I think people should keep an eye out on what it's up to.

Paul Dawalibi:

Because there are some big things coming and and hopefully

Paul Dawalibi:

we can do something together. So I think people should should be

Paul Dawalibi:

following you and should be following us and paying

Paul Dawalibi:

attention to what's coming up. I will say just a bit of

Paul Dawalibi:

housekeeping. Guys. If you haven't yet, share the podcast

Paul Dawalibi:

with a friend. Go follow us on all of our social channels. You

Paul Dawalibi:

can find business of esports everywhere on YouTube, on

Paul Dawalibi:

Instagram on tick tock on Twitch even on LinkedIn, you name it,

Paul Dawalibi:

it's busy sports or business of esports everywhere. We really

Paul Dawalibi:

appreciate it. Also, don't forget we're doing our weekly

Paul Dawalibi:

new show at a new time now. It's at 2:30pm. Eastern time. We're

Paul Dawalibi:

testing this out, we want to reach more time zones. And so

Paul Dawalibi:

this week, although it will have passed by the time you hear

Paul Dawalibi:

this, but this week, it's at 2:30pm Eastern time. So I really

Paul Dawalibi:

hope you guys tune in for that every week. And always don't

Paul Dawalibi:

forget guys the most important thing. The future is fun. We'll

Paul Dawalibi:

see you guys next week. Goodbye.

Announcer:

Thanks for listening to the business of esports

Announcer:

podcast. Check us out at the business of esports.com and on

Source link https://returndays.com/index.php/2024/01/02/business-of-esports-246-knut-spildrejorde-twitch-streaming-bodybuilding-streamer-success-secrets-audience-growth-irl-drama/?feed_id=21961&_unique_id=6593b2c86e76d
Tags:

Moneyheistcast Ltd

After 12 years in digital marketing, Pintermoon decided to reveal to you all the tips and tricks to stay healthy and make money online during this hard time.

Post a Comment

Post a Comment

Previous Post Next Post